Okay. I have to go ahead and lay it out on the line. Not so much on feeling the love for this week's theory. And that actually makes me kind of sad considering the high of last week's with the modeling and coaching and boom! pow! wow! The GBS kind of fell flat for me... and I've been trying for the past few hours to figure out exactly why.
But, honestly? I'm not close to an answer.
Maybe it's that all of the examples seem to be driven and are directly connected to Schank. Does that make sense? It seems like the other theories that we've experienced were tested and explored by a variety of scholars and teachers and practitioners. Only this week there's Schank and then two others who basically copied Schank (I know, I know - it's not "exactly" copied, one was for business training/development and the other was for teaching stats... but you get what I mean).
I didn't originally feel this way when I watched/listened to the overview of the theory this past weekend. I kinda got what direction we were headed in, GBS made sense. I had a happy party in my head thinking of ways to use this theory (and even some elements of the theory that I lived while in the classroom). Then I sat down to read the Hsu & Moore piece - and I don't know if it was the tone (or lack of one) or the matter-of-fact-ness of their writing... the whole piece just left we with an "eh..." attitude. So I grabbed the Schank piece thinking that reading the creator's words would lift me a bit.
I think it's interesting that the theory grew from his studies of memory and the innards of a computer. I don't think the theory is as radical as he makes it out to be. Sure - teaching skills within a context is a shift from the traditional view of teaching/learning. But we've seen (and will see) other models that will accomplish the same goal. His thoughts on memory were so ... "Well, this is it, as you can plainly see, my rationalization of the rational is completely rational. Therefore, doing = learning = memory = rational = good."
I may be being a little too harsh... but if you could hear me talk about this in person, you'd hear the tone of my voice and you'd know that I was only metaphorically poking a stick at Schank and the theory.
I don't agree with his analysis of memory, which he uses as a foundation for GBS. Back to what I was saying about not that drastic of a shift... Skills are still what's important in his theory. Instead of cramming them down students' throats, however, now teachers just need to figure out how to create a scenario to motivate them to learn the skills. (Remember, learn = do.)
I've learned lots of stuff that I haven't "done." I learn tons of things from books and videos.
And I also learn by "doing" as well.
And then there's "goals." Just doesn't sit well with me. Feels too familiar... too similar to what's already there. Like a friend who's just had a makeover to come back to you with a bad haircut and poorly done makeup... do you tell them they look amazing?
Okay - that might not have been the best analogy. Let's try this.
Years ago - when I was preparing myself to go and teach at a Quaker school - I read everything that Parker Palmer had ever written. (His research ranges from the spirituality of education and learning to higher education administration.) I would be 100% lying if I didn't admit that his beliefs and theories about learning did not color my own - and this is probably why I'm struggling this week.
Palmer says (in a horrible simplification) that learning involves three key factors: the learner, the teacher/facilitator, and the content/discipline. The only way anything ever really works in teaching/learning is when all three of these components are in relationship to each other. And he's written pages and pages about what these different relationships can look like.
In this theory, it seems to me that the teacher/facilitator has been all but left out. Sure they make the goals and the "cover" story - but then there's the learner... and there's the content. My job as facilitator is still to "make" the student learn... to motivate them. While I'll embrace that part of my job is to motivate students - it doesn't jive with me that my job is to make anyone do anything.
I guess if the GBS was truly authentic - and it was created with great care, I could go there. I could try it on, and it might be wonderful! This is the section of the course where skills/content drives the theory - and this may be the ultimate cause of my discomfort.
In terms of using this theory with technology/multimedia... I could easily see a series of webpages on a wiki creating an environment like this. Flash too - but I'm not as well versed in Flash. Seeing as I'm currently just beginning to explore SecondLife, I'll throw that hat in the ring as well. Can't you embed links within a YouTube video? If you could... think of how cool THAT might be... (I'm thinking of the "create your own adventure"-ish perspective.)
Must stop before I offend anyone else. Will have to trust that my peers will elder me and show me the error of my ways!
Hoping reading all of y'all's blogs will help me see more possibility with GBS.
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So - you popped up on my reader and I didn't even finish reading the Schank article before heading over to read/comment on your post this week.
ReplyDeleteLet me start with WHHHAT? OK - so I wrote a long response about how I don't agree with you but after thinking it out some more - I agree with you, half way. I think for young people (K-middle grades?) you need to employ last week's model of cognitive apprenticeship because it's the same idea it just adds in the "model" phase where the student watches someone else perform the task first. I think it creates those memories Schank was talking about - it creates the experiences that we later use to solve problems on our own.
But with high school, college and adult learners - how important is a teacher, really? I strongly feel that the Internet has made knowledge readily available and if learning environments are thoughtfully and well constructed - the teacher really isn't integral, which is where I imagine we digress from being on the same page.
Like you said - you learned a lot of things without doing the tasks and I bet you've learned a lot of things without a teacher teaching it to you. Right?
This is when I dislike asynchronous online education - when a good hearty debate could take place! :-)
Hi Matthew,
ReplyDeleteFunny you mentioned "create your own adventure". I thought about exactly that when I was trying to think of ways to use GBS. I use to love to read those books when I was a kid. I have a strong "what-if" personality and it satisfied that. I would keep re-reading them until I had chosen every combination of paths, or I guess I could say "goals". I was of course reading for entertainment, but I think using an approach like that for teaching might do the trick for GBS. Instead of the books, using like a video game approach, which is definitely goal based, might work. Flash and SecondLife (like you said) would definitely work. My only comment about Flash is that it has a very steep learning curve and is not for the average teacher. An actual Flash developer would probably need to be hired and trust me, they aren't cheap. I do love Flash and have been using it for several years, but I still get totally confused. I do wish Adobe would make it a little more intuitive.
Anyway - sorry for the rambling. I enjoyed reading your post.
Mary Ellen
Wow! Yay for good debate via comments, Morgan!
ReplyDeleteI would agree with you on one point, but then I think we do diverge - however I didn't even go there in my post because I wasn't clear on the next steps until just now.
If learning is just about gaining content knowledge, if education is how much stuff can I put in my head, then sure - teachers are well on the way out the door.
The next perspective I'd offer is that we should be helping students (and others as well) learn how to learn, how to process information, what to do with all the stuff once they've gotten it in their heads from the Internet and other learning environments. In that view, teachers are incredibly crucial ... and I think there are some adults who need to be eldered by some teachers soon!
And thank you for your post, Mary Ellen! Flash is such a beast! (And I did the same thing with those adventure novels ;) )
OK Matt, to make creating one of these GBS things more engaging for you, how about the motivation of setting up the feedback part of the teaching. Schank said that the feedback must be situated so that it can be properly indexed as an expectational failure. Here's your chance to have an embedded video that plays automatically when the learner makes a bad choice. You could dress as a crotchety old man, bite down on your pipe and scratch out, "Well, back in my day, we made better choices like (fill in the blank) and WE LIKED IT! Now come over here you little whipper snapper and let me tell you where you went wrong."
ReplyDeleteAgain, loved your post. It's what I look forward to each week!
From Jennifer Knott: (I love Parker Palmer's writing on spirituality.) Have heart, Goal-Based-Scenario learning does involve the teacher. It's been my observation that, at any age, students are busy learning but they always will look to a guide, mentor, or teacher for confirmation of what they learn. It's just that in GBS students tackle the subject matter as it relates to them personally, in their everyday life, beyond school. Schank's theory is that a subject more broadly incorporated is better learned, as is the case when the students can apply what they learned to their own lives.
ReplyDeleteI cant believe this one fell flat for you...you are usually so excited about these. I really enjoyed reading about this theory and it was kind of a pick me up from last weeks.
ReplyDeleteAs far as "making the student learn", I have to say I hate to make anyone do anything as well, but I didnt get that vibe about this one. I think motivating people is definately more of a gift than something that can be accomplished by a theory. If you are ever teaching, remember its more about getting them to find their motivation and encouraging them than to make them do something they dont want to.
Elizabeth
Hey,
ReplyDeleteI was surprised to know that you are not in favor of this model. That doe not mean that I disagree with your thoughts. Actually after I read your complete reflection I would not hesitate to say that to some extent I would agree what Palmer says that learning involves three key factors: the learner, the teacher/facilitator, and content/discipline. In some others reflection I read that this approach may not be feasible for k-middle school kids, but for high schoolers and adult learners it would. I think age might be one of the important factors to decide if this approach is feasible or not.
Dipali
Hahaha - I love you all. :)
ReplyDeleteI can't for the life of me remember now what exactly it was about GBS that rubbed me the wrong way. I've gone back and reread some of the passages and it doesn't seem like that bad of a theory... I guess it must have just been the tone of the pieces that irked me. Or maybe I had some bad chicken the night before...
I'm with you Elizabeth. I'm not so much down with the carrot/stick metaphor - and I believe there are ways to teach more about intrinsic motivation rather than focusing on extrinsic sticks and carrots.
And Jill - I couldn't have said it better myself! Whoop, whoop! :)
I'll admit - you all have shifted me into trying on this theory again. ;)
I agree with Elizabeth...for me this week was a much needed "pick-me-up" because I struggled relating to the prior weeks' models. I can relate to this one because I learn by doing and it's one of the models that I think I most closely relate to given my background. Because I teach and train on technology, I have all of my students perform hands-on learning. Everything I teach, they do. Maybe it's because I could related to it both personally and professionally, I found it to be a bit more interesting.
ReplyDeleteMatthew, your comment about lack of diversity (and shrimp) among the examples reminded me of something I forgot to write in my blog entry. Creating a motivating scenario is easier said than done, and many teachers may be out of touch with student interests. The shrimp farm is a prime example. The instructors should have devised a better scenario...or perhaps they should have based the scenario on the movie Forrest Gump (Bubba Gump Shrimp)!
ReplyDeleteBy the way, Schank and company state, "Unfortunately, according to our theory of memory and learning, you cannot really teach anyone anything unless they are ready to receive the new information." So I think that they would agree that a teacher can't make a student learn. Also, I don't think they are claiming that people have to "do" in order to learn, but rather that people are more likely to learn when they "do." The scenarios are designed to turn students into participants (versus spectators) and provide experiences that make concepts personally relevant. That's my take on GBS.